RFC/RAF Drem

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RFC/RAF Drem
RFC/RAF Dem (Gullane) (West Fenton) opened in late 1917 and officially closed in November 1919.
Avro 504.
Avro 504.
Be2.
Be2.
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The view from close to Drem railway station. On the left, one of the WW2 yellow Bellman hangars and to the right, the WW1 white Officers mess. Opened as a Night Landing Ground (NLG ) for 77 HD Sqn. (Home Defence). Their job was to cover the entrance of the Firth of Forth, where the Royal Navy had fueling, ammunition and docking facilities that needed protection from enemy airships. As the landing ground was in a very good position and with the expansion of the RFC 1916/17. The NLG became 2 Training Depot Station (TDS) and a Royal Flying Corps aerodrome was built. It had six 1918 GS sheds, a repair shed and all the ancillary buildings needed to run a full sized aerodrome.

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Zeppelin attack.
Zeppelin attack.
BE2c.
      77 (HD) Squadron was formed on 1st October 1916 at Edinburgh. It was conceived as a Scottish home defence unit, in response to growing concerns that Zeppelin raids. 77 Squadron history 1916 – 1919.
BE2c. 77 (HD) Squadron was formed on 1st October 1916 at Edinburgh. It was conceived as a Scottish home defence unit, in response to growing concerns that Zeppelin raids. 77 Squadron history 1916 – 1919.
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Aerodrome
The plan of 2 TDS with known buildings.
3 x double General Service Sheds (GS).
1 x Aircraft Repair Shed (ARS).
6 x Bessoneau tented hangars.
1 x Woodwork shop.
2 x 13 bay MT sheds.
6 x Barrack blocks.
1 x Men's institute 345 Men.
1 x Sergeants mess. 47 x NCO's.
60 x NCO's under instruction.
1 x Officers mess. 51 Officers. 120 x Officers under instruction.
1 x Women´s hostel. 155 x Women.
56 x Women household. A total of 889 personnel.
No.2 Training Depot Station.
Formed 15th September 1917 at Lake Down, Wiltshire. 2nd December 1917 Stonehenge, Wiltshire. 15th April 1918 West Fenton (Gullane). Disbanded 21st November 1919.
Aircraft: - DH4, BE2e, RE8, FK8, Scout D, Pup, Camel, SE5a, Avro 504 and F2b's.

2 TDS Plan 1918

Bessoneau Tented hangars.
Bessoneau Tented hangars.
3 x Double GS sheds (hangars).
3 x Double GS sheds (hangars).
Women´s Auxiliary Army Corps.
Women´s Auxiliary Army Corps.
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Aerodrome A 1920's photo of the aerodrome and what was the landing field taking up about six of the fields.
Two attached GS sheds (General Purpose).
Two attached GS sheds (General Purpose).
Two attached GS sheds.
Two attached GS sheds.
Belfast Truss design.
Belfast Truss design.
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Communal site This is a very good picture of the aerodrome, taken just before the wars end. You can see one pair of GS sheds still under construction.
The Officers Mess: - A standardised design used on many TDS's. There are still quite a few left but you have to find them.
Officers in training accommodation: - these are very distinctively shaped huts. A centre section slightly raised and the two sides probably where the officers rooms were.
ARS shed: - Aircraft Repair Shed, hangars were also sheds and both terms will be used here. (Shed is more a British name and Hangar a French word for shed gradually came into use later on). ARS's were a slightly smaller Belfast Truss hangar with on one side, Two aircraft storage rooms. On the other side, a row of offices/stores/workshops.
1918 GS sheds: - these sheds/hangars were built all over the country mostly laid out in a style with three attached GS hangars and one ARS. They were often made as a pair, using a central sharing wall. Made of brick or wooden. Belfast truss roofing covered with thin diagonal planking and tarred felt. The doors could be six large sliding doors or a set of Esavian bi fold doors, as here.
MT section: - two 13 bay sets of garages laid out facing each other. An MT office would either be attached and a latrine for the drivers.

Weston-on-the-Green's WW1 Officers Mess.
Weston-on-the-Green's WW1 Officers Mess.
Old Sarum's Officers in training accommodation.
Old Sarum's Officers in training accommodation.
ARS. Aircraft Repair Shed Old Sarum.
ARS. Aircraft Repair Shed Old Sarum.
Old Sarum layout is more standard than Gullane with two doubles, then the ARS and then another double behind..
Old Sarum layout is more standard than Gullane with two doubles, then the ARS and then another double behind..
Offices down the side of an ARS.
Offices down the side of an ARS.
ARS aircraft storage, these rooms would hold wings possibly in one and bodies in the other and they would be quite tightly stacked for safe keeping.
ARS aircraft storage, these rooms would hold wings possibly in one and bodies in the other and they would be quite tightly stacked for safe keeping.
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Airfield site
Compass platform: - to align the aircraft’s compass to due north, ready for flying.
Bessoneau hangars: - a wood framed, canvas covered, transportable aircraft hangar. Designed in France and used extensively by the RFC and then the RAF. Old Sarum had one into the 70's. A collapsed one I last saw was at Weston Super Mere and there may be one at RAF Odiham??
Avro 504's: - at least two in the line, I am not sure what the others are. Flight offices: - each hangar was allocated to a squadron or flight and the office was for the senior officer to run his unit from. ARS: - we have talked about. There are two aircraft storage buildings attached to this side.
Esavian doors: - these are large bi fold hangar doors, when used there is no need for large heavy buttresses on the sides to hold the three sliding doors when open.

Bessoneau hangar under construction.
Bessoneau hangar under construction.
Esavian doors.
Esavian doors.
An Airco DH9 having its compass swung.
An Airco DH9 having its compass swung.
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GS Shed.
Inside a Belfast truss General Service Shed (GS). Note two outer walls and one centre supports with the distinctive Belfast Truss designed roof. Each piece of wood, was between seven and nine feet long (anything longer had to go to France for trench construction) and also short lengths can be transported easily by lorries and horse and cart. The wood is laminated and not large beams and they are nailed together not glued. Thousands of nails must have been used.

The sections of wood, none over 9ft in length, nailed together with clout nails.
The sections of wood, none over 9ft in length, nailed together with clout nails.
Clout nails.
Clout nails.
Hangar lighting.
Hangar lighting.
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Hangar
The iconic Belfast Truss structure close up. Note two clout nails per cross, 18 nails in this section alone.

Modern clout nails.
Modern clout nails.
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Aerodrome
Another air photo of the airfield site and Officers Mess and accommodation hutting.
The Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC) Hostel.
The women's jobs were not much different from the drudgery for woman before the war. Cleaning, mending, cooking. But then again they could be drivers, driving great lorries to motor cycle combinations, aircraft mechanic, aircraft frame fitters, carpenters and fabric workers.

Plan 234/18 Hostel for Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC), a branch of the British military in the First World War.
Plan 234/18 Hostel for Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC), a branch of the British military in the First World War.
Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC).
Women's Army Auxiliary Corps (WAAC).
WAAC's.
WAAC's.
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RFC Officers mess A large building where Officers could eat, relax and socialise.

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Officers mess.
Officers mess.
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RFC Officers mess Another view of the mess, there would have been a well tended flower garden out in front.
Plan.
Plan.
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RFC Officers mess Around the back was the kitchen area.

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Dinning room.
Dinning room.
Large kitchen stove.
Large kitchen stove.
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RFC Officers mess
Nice fire place.

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Officers mess fire place in WW2.
Officers mess fire place in WW2.
Many Avro 504's were here to train young pilots.
Many Avro 504's were here to train young pilots.
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Accidence´s happened on a regular basis with flimsy planes, bad weather, etc. Many lived but about nine died and were buried in Comely Bank Cemetery CWGC plot.
Flight Cadet D.A. Parr, RAF 15th August 1918 Age 20.
Flight Cadet D.A. Parr, RAF 15th August 1918 Age 20.
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RFC Officers mess
The front of the Mess.

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RFC Officers mess
The view south towards the Carleton Hills.

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RFC Officers mess
One of the entrances.

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Quarters.
Quarters.
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RFC Officers mess
The view from the main door.

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RFC Officers mess Small anti-room we could find very little RFC detail in the building.

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RFC Officers mess
Anti-room.

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RFC Officers mess
A bit of door furniture, the original door handle, I have seen these knobs on WW1 & WW2 doors.

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RFC Officers mess
Inside the left hand end. Thank you to the woodwork shop that now works from their. Fenton Bespoke Limited https://www.fentonbespoke.com.

11 September 2021

Plan.
Plan.
Inside an officers Mess.
Inside an officers Mess.
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MT section A 13 bay Motor Transport garage. Most if not all TDS's had two sets of garages facing each other.
Two bays at Stow Maries, Essex
Two bays at Stow Maries, Essex
Two 13 bay MT sheds at Old Sarum. Both Stow and Old Sarum are still extant.
Two 13 bay MT sheds at Old Sarum. Both Stow and Old Sarum are still extant.
WAAC Chauffeur.
WAAC Chauffeur.
Plan.
Plan.
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MT garage,
On the original picture It states this is the MT Garage at Netheravon. An electric light at each bench, a large vice per bench. A shovel to clear up the mess off the floor. Even running water with a high level tank in he roof.

Crossley ambulance.
Crossley ambulance.
Plan.
Plan.
Motor cycles.
Motor cycles.
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Work shop/store
Next to the MT section is this double row of huts all with large doors and the roof has the glass roof lights now covered over. This the could be part of the MT section, which is next door or just another workshop/store.

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Glass roof light.
Glass roof light.
Plan.
Plan.
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Workshop/store
Detail of the roof trusses. We find with WW1 RFC buildings several types of trusses. Here solid beams of wood and steel bolts attaching it. In my garage in Netheravon a 1916 RFC workshop, it too had steel bolts like this.

The vertical and two horizontal steel rods in my garage.
The vertical and two horizontal steel rods in my garage.
Plan.
Plan.
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Office left and workshop right

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Plan of the two sheds.
Plan of the two sheds.
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Office
Maybe another workshop or office, also in the centre are a set of toilets, the smaller set of windows.

Office work.
Office work.
Office work.
Office work.
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Crittall metal window frames
The original Crittall windows and possibly the original glass from WW1. Crittall have all the part numbers and could replace these with double glazed units that look exactly the same.

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Still going today.
Still going today.
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Workshop/store
Now the other side. This is a very well kept building with all the RFC details from 1917/18. The doors, air vents, roof and the glass roof lights are all original.

Glass roof light.
Glass roof light.
Roof vent.
Roof vent.
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Workshop/store
The inside this store/workshop showing the roof light and trusses.

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Roof light.
Roof light.
Note the same roof truss design.
Note the same roof truss design.
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Workshop/store
The door locking fitting, this is very reminiscent of my old workshop which had fittings like this at Netheravon.

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Workshop/store
The windows have been bricked up. Vents on the roof.

Main store.
      Store men with all their bits around them.
Main store. Store men with all their bits around them.
Detail behind the men.
Detail behind the men.
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DFW 286/17 RFC Training Depot Wood Workshop and Dope Shop
This is where wing sections were repaired, re covered and then doped probably all in the one building

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Woodwork and Dope shop. Traditional Dope and Linen Covering on YouTube.
Woodwork and Dope shop. Traditional Dope and Linen Covering on YouTube.
Cover with varnish or other thick liquid. "she doped the aircraft surface with dope" a dictionary definition.
Cover with varnish or other thick liquid. "she doped the aircraft surface with dope" a dictionary definition.
Dictionary of Aircraft Maintenance Terms; Section H, Paint and Dope.
Dictionary of Aircraft Maintenance Terms; Section H, Paint and Dope.
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DFW 286/17 RFC Training Depot Wood Workshop and Dope Shop
Go to 'A Dopey Little Story' by Terry Grace at Old Sarum. All about Old Sarum's Dope shop.

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DFW 286/17 RFC Training Depot Wood Workshop and Dope Shop
Plan of the woodwork shop, the U shape is a trench to allow when doping, the heavier than air fumes to be sucked down into the trench and drawn out via the chimney where an electrical fan was fitted.

dfw 286/17

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DFW 286/17 RFC Training Depot Wood Workshop and Dope Shop
The end wall with the Dope shed on the far side, the only sign that it is the dope shed is that there are two supports in the wall that would have held the chimney or flu.

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DFW 286/17 RFC Training Depot Wood Workshop and Dope Shop
The two rather rusty supports just below the eaves.

01 October 2023

Old Sarum's dope shop 1918.
Old Sarum's dope shop 1918.
Drem's dope shop 1918.
Drem's dope shop 1918.
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Unknown building, shaped like an RAF latrine but has an added chimney?

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Plan
Plan
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A Talk by David Spruce
A very good lecture about the men of the RFC

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